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Bunnyhopping in cw and out cw
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| void | Date: Monday, 2010-05-31, 2:14 PM | Message # 1 |
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| Hey Guys, So I was just happily hopping the RB server earlier when Malcolm told me something about the max 3 bunnyhop rule. Now I only thought the 3 bunnyhop rule was for clanwars. Now the rules as far as I know them for clanwars are the following: -No more than 3 bunnyhops in a row
-No bunnyhopping with the flag
-No bunnyhopping in fights And in general servers whenever:
-No bunnyhopping in fights Now I would like to know what is allowed and waht is not, in particular in regard to following situations,
either with a {KoD} tag on
Or without {KoD} tag when you're just playing under aliases (even though some people might know who you are). I guess Tiny once said that there's no bunnyhopping in fights in general, so no backbunnyhopping and stuff so that I don't do.
I do however bunnyhop for transporting myself, both because I like to be quicker and I like bunnyhopping, like being speedy flying around map is very comfortable xD. So, what is allowed with tag, and without tag (even though some people know your real nick). I just want to get it straight from the first time. And does this apply for KoD server only
or also RB servers? Hence, discuss! 
Tiny and H@t3 you guys are the rule makers anywayzz, so help me out here  ---
PS: I made this in the clanwars section of the forum, because basically, there is no such thing as a "general" section :P We should have that maybe xD.
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| MrTiny | Date: Monday, 2010-05-31, 4:21 PM | Message # 2 |
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| Bunnyhop is a bug, is like doing archer bug or lighing bug.
But it is a jump and ppl do it unknowlingly so (instead of doing how many hops allowd per class which i would like to do) is to hard and ppl well get confused. I say 2-3 bhops max at anytime.
Dosn't matter if ur doing it with tag or without tag. I don't want ppl to be known as buggers in this clan at all. So learn not to do it on ANY server.
This allpys for ALL servers, RB, KoD or even USA servers. I hear any of u guys doing bugs on any server i will be talking to u, and i wont be happy. :/
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| GaBEERer | Date: Monday, 2010-05-31, 4:54 PM | Message # 3 |
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| Hmmm, this is an interesting matter, indeed.
Well, without bunnyhop, i guess i couldnt beat painkiller lol, but when im assa, and i fight a war i dont want to fight, i better run, nop? or just get a cyan capsule in and die... either way its tragic, so maybe i wont run away. 
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| MrTiny | Date: Monday, 2010-05-31, 6:39 PM | Message # 4 |
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| This has been around for a long time and disscution with EYE clan was made sometime ago.
Tur said to EYE that bhops were not allowed at all. I however know that bhops can be made by mistack or by habbit but also agree with him, which resulted in "3 max bhops" for KoD.
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| Jilako | Date: Monday, 2010-05-31, 8:07 PM | Message # 5 |
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| *cough* Bhop isn't a bug at all
And i can prove it very easily -> There're commands in console about bhop
(i won't speak about the 3 bhop things cause it would be useless and leads to nothing but a flame war)
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| DonSpeedy | Date: Monday, 2010-05-31, 11:59 PM | Message # 6 |
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flame war?!? where?!? me wantz flaming! :>
KoD-Server sucks! All hail the TSH-Server!  
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| Jilako | Date: Tuesday, 2010-06-01, 5:25 PM | Message # 7 |
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| If you want it, so here you go:
Forbidding bhopping when it's about traveling is dumb (except when carrying the flag). Why? Because bhop isn't the kind of things where you can't get good or that some people can't do. EVERYBODY can do it and get good at it with some training. I agree with forbidding backbhopping in fights (when i used to do it, i was nearly impossible to kill when fire mage for any melee classes, in worst cases, i suicided on them). Now, some people will say "then, why not simply limit the number?" I will answer to it that it's also dumb for some reasons:
1) How will you be sure that nobody is doing more bhops? for exemple, on ctf2, how can you be sure that the guy using the bottom way isn't fully bhopping?
2) Get some training and the guy will be able to go faster than the others even by respecting the limit. He just has to do 3 jumps, run a bit, bhop, run a bit, bhop, if he's a warr, he can do it on whole map thx to his stamina regen, same for an assa i think.
Now, we can also see the rule there was on EYE serv to try to parry bhop (the crouch thing): well, when i bhop, i don't use crouch, and i think anybody here knows i can go pretty fast with my bhops. So, in my opinion in a CW, or you totally forbid bhop or you fully allow it. (except backbhop and bhop with flag, this, i can understand)
But as i said, it's just my opinion.
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| void | Date: Tuesday, 2010-06-01, 5:38 PM | Message # 8 |
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| Well, I'll just post my opinion on the matter. I think bunnyhops are ok for traveling. And they're not ok in fights (Except for the 'longjump'), I just mean you shouldn't go around bunnyhopping away in fights or backhopping, or w/e.
And of course, don't bunnyhop when you have the flag. And on the bug/non-bug debate, I think bunnyhop is one of those bugs that became a feature rather than a bug. Anyhow, this is just my opinion.
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| MrTiny | Date: Tuesday, 2010-06-01, 6:20 PM | Message # 9 |
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| http://eye.ucoz.com/news/2009-08-23-53#comments Just read stuff about bhops..
Anyway i wont hange it 3 bhops max at anytime, this is simple to understand and not confuse. If i say bhops ok but not with flag and not in fights etc ppl well forget and do it. If there was like a command or smth i can put so that dons't happen i would.
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| void | Date: Tuesday, 2010-06-01, 7:45 PM | Message # 10 |
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| Hm, well, that rule basically says that you can bunnyhop all you want but just not with crouch? At least that's how i understood it. I don't bunnyhop with crouch either but that doesn't make it any less fast, crouch is just for when you want to jump over people...
Anyway, not really that important what eye's rules were. If it's 3 bunnyhops, then it's 3. Anyhow, I do believe that if people use bunnyhop with fair play in mind that it's not really an issue when people bunnyhop. Ofcourse you can not trust everyone to have a 'fair judgement' or such. But it's a bit of my interpretation of speed limitations while driving :P. Speed in itself is not dangerous, if you are capable of handling speed responsible then it's no issue at all. Yet, because not everyone can be trusted to be responsible with it rules have to be made to be able to refer back to in case of disputes. In this case, 3 bunnyhops max.
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| MightyMalcolm | Date: Tuesday, 2010-06-01, 7:48 PM | Message # 11 |
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| Quote (Jilako) Bhop isn't a bug at all
agreed. especially you, mr.-CSS-player-of-the-week tiny, should know that^^ there even exist some bhopp-training maps. Quote (MrTiny) I don't want ppl to be known as buggers in this clan at all.
agreed. nobody could stop you doing it anonymously, though  Quote (Jilako) EVERYBODY can do it and get good at it with some training. I agree with forbidding backbhopping in fights
agreed. now something from myself:
i only started this whole thing with voidy cuz he escaped me by bhopping. was more for fun than for real (i played a bit corrupt priest so i have full understanding for him in that situation ). Me also uses bhopp getting back to the action after having died, but in fight i completely stop bhopping. ofc i cant make ppl act like me, but i think that this is kinda the best solution^^
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| void | Date: Tuesday, 2010-06-01, 7:51 PM | Message # 12 |
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| Haha, yeah, it was more not fighting you and ignoring you than trying to face you xD
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| DonSpeedy | Date: Tuesday, 2010-06-01, 8:16 PM | Message # 13 |
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| as a conclusion you can say, that i'm the master of initiating a flame/talking debatte war
gotcha guys
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| MrTiny | Date: Tuesday, 2010-06-01, 8:53 PM | Message # 14 |
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| This isn't even close to a flam up speedy, Lol!
Look at the link i posted and read it (orc already knows).
I wont change the rule on bhops. Quote from GodFather:
"Bhop should be limited in my opinion. It's still a little bit of an exploit. It just depends on the server and admins running it. I for one, really don't mind the little bhops some warriors and archers can do on the DMTavern. I believe it adds a little more skill and technique against the spam mages and priestesses that roam the servers. However, they still can't fully exploit it by jumping from one side of the map to the other in under "x" seconds." Added (2010-06-01, 8:53 PM)
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Quote (MightyMalcolm) Quote (Jilako) Bhop isn't a bug at all agreed. especially you, mr.-CSS-player-of-the-week tiny, should know that^^ there even exist some bhopp-training maps. Just to add:
In CSS they don't have stam bars. bhop allows u to go as far as u want and keep ur stam bar full in DM. And also affects how fast u can scre with flag, how to go throw prest brambles with eas and not to mantion mage back hopping with fireball ._. , or archer etc...
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| Jilako | Date: Wednesday, 2010-06-02, 12:11 PM | Message # 15 |
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| Quote In CSS they don't have stam bars. bhop allows u to go as far as u want and keep ur stam bar full in DM. And also affects how fast u can scre with flag, how to go throw prest brambles with eas and not to mantion mage back hopping with fireball ._. , or archer etc...
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